Isaac Norman 1765-1828

With all the ancestors I chase around (on my blog Three Family Trees, you'd think I would jump at the opportunity to link to a photo of a cemetery.

So how about one of the few in which I've found an ancestor of my own? I think I'll re-post some of the photos I took at that time, and share it on both my blogs!  Nothing like a triple whammy, er double!

This is my Sepia Saturday post for #402.

SEPIA SATURDAY 402 : 20 January 2018

Cemetery, Glasnevin, Ireland by Robert French : c. 1900

GRAVEYARDS : DEATH : MEMORIALS : AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS

Looking for Isaac Norman's grave...
on a trip up to Indiana a few years ago...my first stop was the wrong one...but pretty area in KY where his family lived once.  HERE

He left a will, which gives September as his date of death, but the tombstone says July.  See this blog for info about that!

Here's more from my blog about Shelbyville KY...a great little town! 

So here's the post where I actually found his headstone...I'll cut and paste it so you don't have to go to the link!
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 Friday, May 1, 2015

I'm going to share my exciting adventure of finding the grave of my ancestor, Isaac Norman.  Who?

My mother's mother's mother's...oh you know lots of mother's back there.  Actually in my reckoning, which is the system I devised going back from my grandchildren as generation 1).   This Isaac Norman would be generation 10).  I am generation 3). So he's my 5th great grandfather!

(12) Isaac Norman ( 5 Oct 1682 - 7 Apr 1748)
(11) Joseph Norman (1708-16 Feb 1784)
(10) Isaac Norman II (1735 - 1776)
(9) Mary Margaret (Polly) Norman Conn (23 Mar 1792 - 13 Dec 1833)
(8) Hannah Conn Booth (1818-1884)
(7) Richard R. Booth (1846-1879)
(6) Eugenia Booth Miller (1873-1936)
(5) Mozelle Miller Webb Munhall (1897-1960)
(4) Mataley Webb Rogers (1917-2003)
(3) Barbara Booth Rogers (1942- ?)

I've posted several times already about him, a veteran of the War of 1812, Here and Here, and HERE when trying to find his grave.

I also noted that I used to have his generation numbered incorrectly.  Oops.  It's my own system and somehow I jumped him back earlier.  SO hopefuly this is the right amount of generations removed.

And here is my story from last week's actual finding of his grave marker.  (I believe the monument was erected a while after his death, but I don't know when.)

There was no "google map available" when I got into the area of Elk Creek.  So I stopped at a convenience/gas store and asked the clerk.  Fortunately the woman behind me in line knew where the Elk Creek Baptist Church was to be found, off the Old Road on your left.  I went down the Old Road (which had a numeric designation) and it had a "y" and I took the right side, to find many new homes.  Not the Old Road obviously.  Going the other way, I soon saw a beautiful antebellum home through the trees.

And it was situated on Elk Creek!

The Elk Creek Baptist Church had a huge cemetery.

My thinking went that the original founders would be buried close to the church, and here was Isaac Norman's monument right next to the drive.

I left my flowers, and took a lot of pictures.

South face, Isaac Norman, born Aug 25, 1765, Died July 22, 1828

A different person's statistics were carved on each of the 4 faces of the monument.

 

West face, Hannah G. wife of Isaac Norman, born Apr 20, 1762, Died Feb 28, 1845

I had not expected to find 2 more names on the marker. Who were they?

 East face, Abner Norman, born Dec. 30. 1789, Died Jan. 2. 1856. "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God."

 and the other was...

North face, Frances, wife of Abner Norman, born Apr 4, 1788, died March 28, 1864

 Frances Northmore Redman was Abner's wife.  Her marker was really hard to read however.

Frances was the last one to die in 1864, who is memorialized on this marker.  Who might have been the ones burying these elders?  Frances and Abner had a lot of children, several of whom lived into the 1920s.  So I can't speculate on that today.

View of east and north faces of monument, with my car

The Norman marker, center with flag

I did look at other markers nearby, and found the Van Dykes married a grandson of Isaac Norman, Solomon Redman Norman, and many of the graves in that area of the cemetery were of their sons and daughters.

So I said goodbye to these ancestors and went on down the road.  And thanked them for giving me life, to pass along to my own children and hopefully to many more descendents one day.
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Today's quote:


Confucius wrote: “There are three things which the wise man holds in reverence: the Will of Heaven, those in authority, and the words of the sages. The fool knows not the Will of Heaven and holds it not in reverence: he is disrespectful to those in authority; he ridicules the words of the sages.”
And: “He who does not understand the Will of God can never be a man of the higher type. He who does not understand the inner law of self-control can never stand firm. He who does not understand the force of words can never know his fellow-men.”

A Conn by another name

When your genealogy seems to have a glitch, what do you do?

I've been over on Ancestry looking seriously to see how my great X5 grandmother might just have different parents entirely.

One of my gurus on Ancestry, a half cousin about 5 times removed who has much more experience in genealogy, had the same great X5 grandfather (but with a different mother) has posted that according to someone I've never heard of, had parents related to this new someone.

I tried to find if those parents were brothers of my granddad...but there weren't any members of his, his fathers, or his grandfather's families with the name of James or Joseph.  My tree with the Conn brothers included John Thomas, Thomas, Tramell, Jesse and so on.  No Williams either.

So now I wonder if the grave I visited last year is even one of my ancestors.

Well, does it really matter?  Not to the bones there in that cemetery in Kentucky.

And I think I'll keep my private family tree going the way it has for several years.  Nobody knows but me, and nobody will probably say to me, HEY those are the wrong parents for your Hannah Leak Conn Booth.  At least the Conn family somehow was hers.  If her mom wasn't Mary (Polly) Norman Conn, then Isaac Norman (see cemetery marker above) would not be my ancestor.  But the information coming from a will which I haven't been able to see, well,  I won't believe it till I see it. Follow the source!

My information comes through my 5th removed cousin, and she's pretty reliable, but she says that this new cousin says that Hannah's (not on my chart) grandfather, William Conn, was in the Revolutionary War.  My information has her grandfather (Thomas Conn) only being born in 1765...which would have meant he would not have been old enough to fight in that conflict, but his father could have.   But here's the new information...and I now need to figure out the relationships.  If possble!

William Conn died in Henry county, Kentucky in 1836. He was a Revolution War soldier and he has pension records. His pension records and Will identify James Conn, who married Nancy Erwin as a son.  James Conn died about 1830. Nancy Erwin Conn moved her family to Jackson county, Indiana about 1838., where she died about 1846 and Deed Book J, Page 387 identifies  Hannah Conn Booth as a child. Female descendants of Hannah Conn Booth can join the DAR through William Conn. 

I'm not interested one bit in being a DAR (Daughters of the American Revolution) member.  Those ladies can have their research and their tea parties.  I do wish I knew which of the many Conn families really were my link back to Ireland, but if I don't find out, I won't cry.

They have some information about those Conns that speaks about a ferry crossing in VA, so I will probably go read about it because it does sound historically interesting. And perhaps we were related.

Today's quote:

...there are no wrong turns, only unexpected paths.

Mark Nepo

Happy May Day - Beltaine and Isaac Norman

Celebration of May.  Yay!  It's spring.  And before Memorial Day comes at the end of the month, I'll start the month looking at ancestors!

I'm going to share my exciting adventure of finding the grave of my ancestor, Isaac Norman.  Who?

My mother's mother's mother's...oh you know lots of mother's back there.  Actually in my reckoning, which is the system I devised going back from my grandchildren as generation 1).   This Isaac Norman would be generation 10).  I am generation 3).

(12) Isaac Norman ( 5 Oct 1682 - 7 Apr 1748)
(11) Joseph Norman (1708-16 Feb 1784)
(10) Isaac Norman II (1735 - 1776)
(9) Mary Margaret (Polly) Norman Conn (23 Mar 1792 - 13 Dec 1833)
(8) Hannah Conn Booth (1818-1884)
(7) Richard R. Booth (1846-1879)
(6) Eugenia Booth Miller (1873-1936)
(5) Mozelle Miller Webb Munhall (1897-1960)
(4) Mataley Webb Rogers (1917-2003)
(3) Barbara B Rogers (living)

I've posted several times already about him, a veteran of the War of 1812, Here and Here, and HERE when trying to find his grave.

I also noted that I used to have his generation numbered incorrectly.  Oops.  It's my own system and somehow I jumped him back earlier.  SO hopefuly this is the right amount of generations removed.

And here is my story from last week's actual finding of his grave marker.  (I believe the monument was errected a while after his death, but I don't know when.)

There was no "google map available" when I got into the area of Elk Creek.  So I stopped at a convenience/gas store and asked the clerk.  Fortunately the woman behind me in line knew where the Elk Creek Baptist Church was to be found, off the Old Road on your left.  I went down the Old Road (which had a numeric designation) and it had a "y" and I took the right side, to find many new homes.  Not the Old Road obviously.  Going the other way, I soon saw a beautiful antibellum home through the trees.

And it was situated on Elk Creek!

The Elk Creek Baptist Church had a huge cemetery.

My thinking went that the original founders would be buried close to the church, and here was Isaac Norman's monument right next to the drive.

I left my flowers, and took a lot of pictures.

South face, Isaac Norman, born Aug 25, 1765, Died July 22, 1828

A different person's statistics were carved on each of the 4 faces of the monument.

 

West face, Hannah G. wife of Isaac Norman, born Apr 20, 1762, Died Feb 28, 1845

I had not expected to find 2 more names on the marker. Who were they?

 East face, Abner Norman, born Dec. 30. 1789, Died Jan. 2. 1856. "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God."

 and the other was...

North face, Frances, wife of Abner Norman, born Apr 4, 1788, died March 28, 1864

 Frances Northmore Redman was Abner's wife.  Her marker was really hard to read however.

Frances was the last one to die in 1864, who is memorialized on this marker.  Who might have been the ones burying these elders?  Frances and Abner had a lot of children, several of whom lived into the 1920s.  So I can't speculate on that today.

View of east and north faces of monument, with my car

The Norman marker, center with flag

I did look at other markers nearby, and found the Van Dykes married a grandson of Isaac Norman, Solomon Redman Norman, and many of the graves in that area of the cemetery were of their sons and daughters.

So I said goodbye to these ancestors and went on down the road.  And thanked them for giving me life, to pass along to my own children and hopefully to many more descendents one day.